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Police Collar 66-Year-Old Occupy Protester

Gale Wheat, 66, of Indio said she wants to stand up for nine people arrested early Tuesday morning as part of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The group also started a petition to allow the group to stay in the park overnight.

 

Carrying a sign that read "Occupy Coachella Valley Still Here," Gale Wheat marched through an empty parking lot in Palm Desert that once held a camp for protesters in defiance of a city ordinance.

Wheat walked over without hesitation to three parked Palm Desert police vehicles and asked officers to take her into custody for being in Civic Center Park past its 11 p.m. curfew.

But she soon marched back within minutes to an anxious group of about 15 protesters who waited on a public sidewalk, cheering her on with chants of "Whose park? Gale's park."

"The officers are exhausted and want to wait for the next shift to arrest me," the 66-year-old retiree told onlookers.

She sat back down onto a plastic chair and waited.

Wheat said she hopes her arrest is seen in solidarity with the arrest of nine protesters just after midnight Tuesday on suspicion of unlawful assembly. Palm Desert police dismantled the group's camp during a crackdown and promised to arrest anyone else in the park after hours.

"Let's get this over with," Wheat said. "Why are there three sheriff's cars over there? Is it intimidation or are they going to act?"

Wheat, who has been visiting the camp over the past week and talking with protesters, said that she is worried about the "kids" who were arrested earlier in the day.

"I woke up and read that the kids had been arrested. I was really upset. I told him (my husband) I'm going. I'm really worried about the kids. They can't afford to be arrested. They can't afford to have a record. It could really effect their future," she said.

She sat staring at the law enforcement vehicles for about 20 minutes before Lt. William Sullivan walked across the narrow parking lot toward her.

"Do you want me to go with you?" she asked.

"Yes," the lieutenant said. He strolled over to onlookers and confirmed to Patch that the cops did not arrest her earlier because it would have meant "overtime."

Wheat was taken into custody just after 11:30 p.m. by four police officers near the back of the parking lot.

Her civil disobedience marks the tenth arrest at the former encampment at Civic Center Park, where protesters part of the Occupy Wall Street movement have been speaking out against corporate greed and corruption.

Kevin Lyle, one of the group's protesters started a petition online, asking council members to allow protesters to use the park overnight.

"The Riverside County Sheriff Department is continually receiving orders from Palm Desert's city council who say they want us out," Lyle wrote in a letter attached to the petition.

The petition has already received 141 signatures as of 5 p.m. Wednesday.

Assistant City Attorney Robert Hargreaves has said the city supports the group's First Amendment rights, but cannot allow the park to be used as a campground for an extended period of time.

Night in Jail

Wheat told Patch in an interview Wednesday that the officers who arrested her were kind and compassionate, but things went down hill quickly after she arrived at the Indio Jail.

"There is an atmosphere of intimidation and callousness," Wheat said. "I think it’s really more for effect."

She said she overheard a deputy near the holding cell refer to the movement as the "Occupy (expletive) Coachella Valley protesters."

"Those guys do not like us," Wheat said.

She said she is worried about any more protesters spending the night in the jail.

"I really felt scared. It’s not a good place to be. It’s not a place our movement needs to be heading," Wheat said, adding that she plans to meet with the captain of the jail in the near future.

"I was very lucky that my husband showed up and got me out of there," she said, adding that she is glad she went through the experience as it "stretched my mind."

Related Topics: Arrest, Gale Wheat, Indio, and Occupy Coachella Valley

Peter

1:06 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Nice work Gale! By standing up for what you believe in you've taken away the City's bully pulpit and shown the police are already tired of kicking people off a piece of park pavement.

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Debra Savitt

4:16 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Gale that was awesome!!! Thank you!!!

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Terry

6:15 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Stop wasting the city's time by breaking park rules, the police need to patrol other area's to prevent crime. Sitting in the park after hours isn't going to change anything.

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Jared

6:41 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Terry, it may not work. However, what the people, government, and corporations have been doing over the last 35 years I have been alive has not been working either. These people are standing up and we should allow them. You do not have to agree with what "Occupy" says, but I would hope you would believe they have their constitutional rights.

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jerry cornwell

6:42 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

I agree Terry. Proves that living 66 years hasn't developed common sense. If these protester really want to change something I doubt that their breaking park rules to get arrested matters much to what ever they have complaints about. What I find offensive is we would have 3 police cars wasting their time to arrest someone who is breaking park rules. If the protestors don't like the rules there is a process to try to change them. I guess everyone needs to have their 15 minutes of fame even if it is being an idiot. What ever it cost the tax payers to employ the police should be what the fines are.

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Reverend Debra Savitt

11:11 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Why doth we protest??? This is why.... click on the link Icelanders protested and made alot of noise because they did not want to pay for the banks mistakes and greed. Because of the protests, Ragnar Grimsson, refused to ratify the law that would have made Iceland’s citizens responsible for its bankers’ debts, and accepted calls for a referendum.
Click on link for full article on this amazing story of how protests can be very successful

http://sacsis.org.za/site/article/728.1

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robert Jagiello

5:39 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Terry:

Did Rosa Parks accomplish anything by just "sitting" in the front of the bus?

Linda

7:30 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

I csl (couldn't stop laughing) at the deputies telling this lady they were exhausted and were going to wait for the next shift to arrest her. However; since she wanted to be arrested (and this is going to help how?), they eventually complied. I think the city and law enforcement have been very patient with this group's congregation and expression of ideas and should now be able to move on to other matters. Thanks, RSO, for keeping your sense of humor.

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Steven Kippel

8:03 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

When are these trouble-making college kids going to stop making such a fuss. Wait... what?

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cvhelp

8:12 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

How is being arrested for camping in a park related to corporate greed??

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Gale Wheat

8:12 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

I was released from jail early this morning. America--the best goverment Wall Street can buy. I will continue to fight against the abuses of Wall Street power brokers and corporate elities. Occupy Wallstreet is America's defining moment. In the words of my favorite Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, Chris Hedges--you are either on the right side of history or the wrong side. Laugh all you like. Call me an idiot. Ridicule me. I do not care. I stand in support of the young people of our nation--those sleeping in parks throughout America--900 sites. I commend them for their ideals, their principles, their tenacity. Good luck to Occupy Wallstreet movments everywhere. You are on the right side of history.

Gale Wheat

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jerry cornwell

8:22 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

I guess I only wonder how many Wall Sreet power brokers and corporate elites are being fazed by the action taken in public parks. If you can focus on a specific company, wouldn't it make sense to march in front of their offices or better yet how about in front of the people who are capable of changing some rules to penalize the guilty.

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Gale Wheat

8:30 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

I do not speak on behalf of the young people spearheading the Occupy protests, but I encourage you, Jerry, to spend a few hours with the Coachella Valley group. Talk to the people, ask them what their conerns are. I did. It was well worth my time.
Gale Wheat

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Reverend Debra Savitt

10:14 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Gale I am proud of you. You are a brave woman to sit by yourself to make a statement. At least there are people who are willing to make a statement. Our country our world is in big trouble economically, and environmentally. We need to wake up all of us. If those of you who do not agree on sleeping at a park that is fine! But please do something create another project to start making change. We may not have a planet to live on. Also we are expected to have another economic downturn anytime! One piece of good news Bank of America is not charging a $5.00 debit card fee month as they were originally going to do because of the Occupy Movement making noise and threatening to pull their money out of all the big banks!

Ruth

10:05 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Maybe these "young" people should spend their time getting an education so they can help change the corporate greed/power brokers instead of hanging out/sleeping and urinating in public parks taunting the police. If they really want to change things that would be a good start. Laying around and hanging out is not solving anything. Go out in the work, educate yourselves and then do something about it!

Sixty-six years old and asking to be arrested is senile and childish behavior. Maybe Gail wants her one day of fame or infamy! Glad she was arrested and hope the bail money reduced the county deficit a bit.

One last thing, I don't believe the police told her "they were too tired to arrest her and wait for the next shift". She must have been hallucinating in her "old age". Oh well, to each his own but lady, why don't you just enjoy retirement instead of trying to act like a "kid" again!

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Steven Kippel

10:09 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

"I want to change the system, but I think it's childish to demand change. So I'm just going to capitulate to the corrupt system and take my piece of the pie and be content because I don't want to stir up any commotion. Plus, I'm just too old to be taken seriously, not like all those "young" kids out there who get taken seriously when they stand up against the status quo. I think maybe if I just accept my fate of living paycheck to paycheck, one day I can do something about it!"

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Reverend Debra Savitt

10:37 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

We left this mess for the young kids. These young kids are brave souls and I am proud of them. I am 59 years old and fully support every single one of them!

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robert Jagiello

6:09 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Ruth:
Facts are inconvenient things. Have you really determined the educational attainments of the entire group of the "Occupy Coachella Valley". I was there, and , frankly, I do not remember talking to you. I am not sure that adoption of a patronizing tone towards those who are protesting on behalf of all of us against the control of our government by the plutocracy will achieve your desired result. It might be a good idea to go to one of the "occupy" meetings and actually try to talk to a significant number of the people there and if, and perhaps only if, you have truly ascertained that what you posted is true, i.e., that they are predominantly an uneducated,lazy lot, who together with the hundreds of thousands of their fellow protesters around the world are not solving anything then, and only then would your post deserve any credence. . Also, from your post, one may deduce that senility is not limited to those of us who are seniors. Now, please excuse me, I need my afternoon hallucination.

Reverend Debra Savitt

10:08 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Yes Jerry we are at the specific companies as well. One of my goals is to create a plan, peacefully, to get back the money on our homes that we never received from the bailout. We are forming committees to start working on specific projects, peacefully, to get our economic justice back! Our representatives will take notice if we make some noise. I understand some viewpoints about sleeping the park, but the Occupy movement is creating a big impact all around the world. Thousands and thousands of people are tired of how this country is run and actually we the people let it get out of control. We have allowed corporate interest (the corporations who don't care about people) run our country. That is pretty obvious. It has lead to wars, oil drilling in ocean floors without consideration to the environment, and draining the middle class. So many people have lost their homes, claimed bankruptcy, and cannot find jobs. We peacefully assemble at the parks, we have meetings to start being the change we want to see in the world. I am so impressed with the students and some of the older people who slept at the park. They kept the space clean, they were not peeing on the grass, they were showing good will by cleaning up other parts of the park and wanting to start a food drive. The police cost money because the city sent them there! Orange County Occupy was given permission to sleep on the lawn by the City of Irvine and they brought them blankets to make sure they were not cold!

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Glenn R Scott

10:18 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Hey Reverend Savitt, (I get the joke, save it ) thanks for the report on the City of Irvine, EVERYONE, LET'S GO TO IRVINE !!!!!!!!

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Reverend Debra Savitt

10:39 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Who Hoo!!! I love it!! I am not sure what joke you are talking about but ok!

Reverend Debra Savitt

10:31 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Gale I am proud of you. You are a brave woman to sit by yourself to make a statement. At least there are people who are willing to make a statement. Our country our world is in big trouble economically, and environmentally. We need to wake up all of us. If those of you who do not agree on sleeping at a park that is fine! But please do something create another project to start making change. We may not have a planet to live on. Also we are expected to have another economic downturn anytime! One piece of good news Bank of America is not charging a $5.00 monthly debit card fee as they were originally going to do because of the Occupy Movement making noise and threatening to pull their money out of all the big banks

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jerry cornwell

11:03 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

I see the link Rev, but the question is did the Mayor pay for them himself or did the tax payers? If you think that OWS was what made BOA change their mind, then I think you are missing that thousands started closing accounts and BOA woke up. It was just business. Who provided the bail out for them in the first place? Directors and officers are elected and appointed by shareholders and companies like Ford who refused the baleout had more to do with corporate planing than with not taking a gift. Your John Adams quote speaks of Government not Corporations.

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Steven Kippel

11:15 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

But John Adams did speak about this. "When economic power be came concentrated in a few hands, then political power flowed to those possessors and away from the citizens, ultimately resulting in an oligarchy or tyranny."

He spelled it out clearly, "The balance of power in a society, accompanies the balance of property in land. The only possible way, then, of preserving the balance of power on the side of equal liberty and public virtue, is to make the acquisition of land easy to every member of society; to make a division of land into small quantities, so that the multitude may he possessed of landed estates. If the multitude is possessed of the balance of real estate, the multitude will take care of the liberty, virtue, and interest of the multitude, in all acts of government."

How about Noah Webster? "a general and tolerably equal distribution of landed property is the whole basis of national freedom" He said wide spread distribution of wealth was "the very soul of a republic."

Thomas Jefferson even weighed in, "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise."

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Reverend Debra Savitt

11:24 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Jerry you bring out a good point about who paid for the blankets. I do not know, perhaps they were donated. I love the gesture it opens doors rather than closing them for people to be heard about their grievances. You are right it is just business with B of A and that is why we have mass movement to pull all of our money out of the big banks who got the bail outs and didn't pass the money to the homeowners. That is our statement to make change because we know if we can affect at a business level that is the "language" they understand. I do like the way Ford handled their company by not accepting a bail out. They didn't want government in their business. So we are not against all corporations ! I admire Ford for recognizing not to take a bail out! It was more challenging in the beginning but better for Ford in the long run. "Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people, and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; I like this portion of the quote, it does speak of the government but when corporations take over the government for greed purposes we have the problems we have in our economy now!!! Thank you Jerry for your thoughtful comments.

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Steven Kippel

11:39 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

The quote does speak to the present situation, "and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men." Corporations have taking control of the legislative process to feed their pockets.

MARK

11:17 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Rev. Sav-it, stick to the bible and not the money problems. Save the peoples souls, not their pockets. What care of Church do you belong to anyway. Don't worry i'll reported as inappropriate myself. Where's Gale Rev.? I won't say it, Yes i will COME ON MAN!

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Steven Kippel

11:27 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

The Church has much to say about your pockets.

Matthew 19:23-24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Luke 1:53
He has filled the hungry with good things but has sent the rich away empty.

Luke 6:24
“But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.

Proverbs 11:28 Those who trust in their riches will fall, but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.

Proverbs 13:8 A person’s riches may ransom their life, but the poor cannot respond to threatening rebukes.

Proverbs 18:23 The poor plead for mercy, but the rich answer harshly.

Proverbs 22:7 The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave to the lender.

Proverbs 22:16 One who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and one who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty.

Proverbs 23:4 Do not wear yourself out to get rich; do not trust your own cleverness.

Proverbs 28:6 Better the poor whose walk is blameless than the rich whose ways are perverse.

Jeremiah 51:13 You who live by many waters and are rich in treasures, your end has come, the time for you to be destroyed.

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Steven Kippel

11:29 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

1 Timothy 6:17-18 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.

James 2:6 But you have dishonored the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?

Revelation 3:17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

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Steven Kippel

11:30 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

James 5:1-6
1 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

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Steven Kippel

11:37 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Matthew 13:22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Proverbs 3:9 Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;

Proverbs 28:8 Whoever increases wealth by taking interest or profit from the poor amasses it for another, who will be kind to the poor.

Ecclesiastes 5:10, 13 Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless.
I have seen a grievous evil under the sun: wealth hoarded to the harm of its owners,

MARK

1:18 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

A self proclaimed Rev. Ok i get it. Beware of false Prophet's.

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Reverend Debra Savitt

2:07 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Thank you Steven and to the POINT!!! Mark do you really want to add spirituality/religion into this discussion? We could be here all day. Also please don't assume my spirituality/religion as I study many spiritual practices.

As a Minister, a woman, a mother of three children, a Dr. of Chiropractic , a human being I feel I have a social responsibility to show up and do whatever I can to help in a PEACEFUL WAY.
Did you forget about Martin Luther King Jr??? Mother Teresa, an Indian Social Activist??? Dali Lama??? These were some of the most powerful people who made social change and history.
Take note of a recent article NEW YORK, Oct. 21 (UPI) -- About 300 religious congregations and spiritual leaders have signed a statement supporting the values of Occupy Wall Street activists, a New York church said.

The places of worship and clergy people "support the spirit of Occupy Wall Street," the Rev. Donna Schaper of New York's Judson Memorial Church, affiliated with American Baptist Churches USA and the United Church of Christ, told the online TV Odyssey Networks.

Click on link below for article
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/10/21/300-religious-leaders-back-Occupy-Wall-St/UPI-53801319184000/#ixzz1caCgHlLm
Jerry and Mark more constructive criticism would be of a higher value. I do believe that when any of us throw out assumptions and really don't listen to the other person and that includes all us that is where ignorance lies.

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MARK

4:18 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Didn't they just bust a DR. of Chiropractic for sexual assault. Again a Minister of what? A women I believe. Kind of bored Uh? Oh well, i'd leave it alone. I'm getting bored reading your hogwash anyways. I'll say a prayer for you Debra.

timothy granger

10:30 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011

so far in any of these discussions no one seems to know one thing about economics. using general terms in these situations is not relevant to our actual problems. Any one here thinking that they need to voice out about how dumb these kids are and against what they are trying to do you might want to consider a fact, the dumb kids are soon going to majority rule and will not pay for things like social security. I am 23 years old and an economics major and I can tell you i personally will be against paying for your social security. I am sure no one really understands the difference between freedom and liberty. I am sure that no one knows what the current economic beliefs are in office and why Keynes is not working in this economy. If you really believed in this country you would understand just how wrong the Federal Reserve is according to the constitution, I guess all our founding fathers can turn in their graves and say "well i sure did try to protect my people". As far is the talk about these arrests regardless of there legality or contradiction at least they are willing to sacrifice themselves for what they believe in. what are you doing to protect your future? If you do not know about the world reserve currency crisis looming over the United States which is out of our control now, you might be a little more concerned about impending inflation.

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jerry cornwell

4:22 am on Friday, November 4, 2011

Timothy, I am happy to see a comment from an expert economist. I wholeheartedly agree that the Federal Reserve needs to be junked. Not being an expert, but having been in business during the Carter/Volker fiasco and seeing inflation kill businesses by the thousands I understand. We obviously didn't learn anything because the Administration has decided to use Volker as their advisor. Do I think Social Security should be saved? Nope, even though I am happy to get the small stipend monthly, I would much prefer to have them give me what I had paid in and stop it. As a matter of fact I am for stopping all programs, including supporting the bogus demands of higher education. If your generation wants it, learn how to pay for it. I can't find anything in the Constitution that guarantees providing education. "Bleeding Hearts" even believe non citizens are entitled. So lets dump the Fed Reserve, EPA, HUD, Department of Education and throw out the tax code. I would consider myself conservative, but not in lockstep with any party. I also don't want to drink dirty water or breathe dirty air, but from experience could site 100's of examples of EPA regulations that destroy progress. Oh, and just because you obtain a degree it does not mean that you are entitled to a job of your choice.

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timothy granger

8:40 am on Friday, November 4, 2011

so im guessing you want to vote for ron paul? he is the only candidate clearly stating his economic plans except for herman cain which is a fifth grader solution in the world of problems. If you want the changes you just talked about take a look at what he wants to do. regardless of party affiliation he is making a lot of sense. im sure you have but if not take a look at some of his fiscal and monetary policy its good stuff.

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timothy granger

8:43 am on Friday, November 4, 2011

also i agree with you whole heartedly about the constituion and i do not advocate the dept of education, if we had abolished it a long time ago education would be affordable that is a simple concept to understand. all of these programs need to be dissolved slowley but surley.

jerry cornwell

9:55 am on Friday, November 4, 2011

I do agree with a lot Ron Paul says. but portions of his isolationist theory are opposite of trade. I think after years of being forward with his positions, people are starting to pick up on things he has proposed. I doubt that the majority of voters would bother to try to sort out his suggestions, and fortunately with 24/7 news we are getting more sides to the argument, yet we get saturated with propoganda form all parties. I am afraid even with the great message Paul has, if he runs as an independent he assures Obama another term. It is going to take a much stonger and supported campaign to ever get a thrid party recognized. I hope I am around to see it.

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Steven Kippel

1:33 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011

"As a matter of fact I am for stopping all programs, including supporting the bogus demands of higher education. If your generation wants it, learn how to pay for it."

You generation paid the equivalent of $750 tuition. If I go to an in-state school I'm looking at $19,000. Of course back then, higher education was considered an important part of national defense, which is why we had the National Defense Education Act.

Today, most kids don't see a point in going to college because the education they receive will only slightly increase their earnings, but will cut into it with the loans they have to pay back so they'll end up making less for the first 10-25 years than they would if they didn't get an education.

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timothy granger

5:43 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011

i dunno lets do some math it does not lie ya know 19,000 lets round up to 30,000 so we can include medical programs and times that by 4 years =$120,000.
now lets figure someone with a masters or doctorate makes at the lowest average income for both would be a masters at $61,698yr and on average a high school graduate makes $28,763 the difference annually is $32,935 yr at the lowest possible average for a 4 year degree. now that is 4 years to make up the difference. A professional degree will (on average) get $88,530yr with a difference of $59,767yr taking a little bit over 2 years to make up. now lets say you work from 30 to about 60 after you pay off your loans 30 years
high school $862,890
masters $1,850,670
professional $2,659,500
that is a staggering difference in my view. actually getting a job is another story, and further more time is changing, you obviously cant sink 4 years and $120000 into an education that will not make you any money. we have the fortunate ability to easily research what education will have jobs available and what your expected salary is, being able to decide what you can be or do anything is a great liberty to have but you must be careful to protect yourself at the same time.

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Steven Kippel

5:06 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011

Timothy, your math is terrible.

1) A Masters degree is not a 4-year degree.
2) The most sought after graduate is an engineer. Their starting salaries are up to $56,336. That's about $1000 more per month than I get, with only a high school degree.
3) A 10 year loan on that degree for an in-state school would leave me with $1,380.96 per month for ten years in loan payments. And this is working a full-time job while taking classes to pay for living expenses.

After that, the extra money would be nice. But I'd be taking an 18-year haircut for a better life 20 years out.

timothy granger

12:37 pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

@ steven kippel
i don't know how you think you are supposed to attend school but it does not take ten years at a normal rate of attendance to get a masters in any field then again higher education is not for those who cant hack it. its taken me $2000 a year at a community college including books and gas which i havent paid a penny for out of my own pocket courtesy of grants good grades ect. by the time i get to a "4 YEAR INSTITUTION" i will only be 4 years away from my degree. A masters in engineering requires a bachelors degree to enter and is 2 years in length. so if you take care of your pre req's at a jc or cc you will only be 4 years out from a masters or in most cases less. some institutions will even take you just on pre req's and graduate you with a bachelors mid program like most pre-med programs.

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Steven Kippel

12:56 pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

I didn't say it takes ten years, I said a "10 year loan." You don't pay student loans until after graduation, so I would be paying the loan for ten years after six years of school.

These loans do have interest, so your suggesting that one could pay back $120,000 in loans in 2-4 years with a salary difference of $59,000 per year. That's only true if you are lucky enough to get a starting salary over $80k right out of school, you live those two years at the same lifestyle of the high-school graduate, and your loan didn't bear any interest.

As I pointed out, after I have recently done the math as I have been looking at a masters program, the starting salaries for even the most sought after degrees are much less than $80k, and loans do, in fact, bear interest.

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Steven Kippel

12:58 pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

Furthermore, my calculations included 2-year transfers at a transfer college like COD, 2 years at a UC college, and 2 years at a UC post-graduate school. It does not include financial aid.

timothy granger

8:36 pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

@ steve kippel
i understand APR and yes it does tack on a 700 a month payment but its not enough to create a take home of high school graduate. you can get creative and use 529 accounts ect. whatever you need to tell yourself, the real question is do you want to love what you do regardless of what you get paid? honestly there is very few jobs that pay minimum wage that i could find myself falling in love with if any.

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Steven Kippel

9:53 am on Monday, November 14, 2011

You're absolutely right about that. Loving your work is worth more than any boost in payment.

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